Episode 2: The Big Three

Disclaimer! Recorded on April 27th, 2024

With the rap beef heating up, we discuss the original big three in shounen anime. Are we meat riders or big haters? We talk about this weeks news, stories including, North Korean animation?, Stellar Blade director and NieR Automata have a chat, Manhwa taking over the world and more!

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome. My name's uh Isan Omonjo, aka Jose. Um this is the anime bullshit podcast or ABS for short. Uh today that cat is in my backpack.

SPEAKER_02 0:09

That's okay. Cats love being in small spaces. Like, you know that cats can like fit under doors, right? Uh I mean, depending on the gap, yeah, I can believe them. Yeah, they're like cats are liquid. Let's do a whole podcast about how cats are liquid.

SPEAKER_00 0:21

Already already episode two is off the rails. All right, so I'm Isan Omanjo, aka Jose. Uh this is uh ABS anime uh anime bullshit. Um, I'm here with Sherman say uh uh Sherman Baker, and today we're gonna talk about the big three. Fuck the big three. It's just big me. No, I'm kidding. Okay, so today we're gonna talk about the big three, but before that, I actually have some news to bring up. Um, one of my favorite news this week. I actually have to go down to the bottom for it. Did you guys see this? Uh the Malaysian government in talks with Jiu Jitsukaizen publisher for rights to Kento Nanami Memorial. They want to put a memorial in that beach where, spoiler alert, he wanted to retire to. What do you guys think?

SPEAKER_02 0:58

I I mean it's gotta be the a statue of him horribly burned on half his body, otherwise, it's not canon. That would be pretty sick, actually. Okay. Yo, pull up the image of uh Nanami horribly burned from his injuries so Salem can get a reference. Salem has not watched uh Jujutsu Kaisen season one or two or read the manga, despite our best efforts. That is correct. Uh yeah, you can see here Mr. Okay, we got some uh two-faced action. Yeah, Mr. Nanami Kento is big feeling it right now. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

Well as the article says, he was waving in and out of like consciousness as he was like fighting all the cursed spirits and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:35

As you can see, uh my boy Mahito's music hitting from the back as he approaches Nanami Kento.

SPEAKER_00 1:40

You can hear it too. Like you can hear it from back here.

SPEAKER_02 1:43

You can hear what?

SPEAKER_00 1:43

The the big boss music.

SPEAKER_02 1:45

No, that's just his entrance theme dog. He's gotta run down the ramp and jump in the ring. Oh. This was a wrestling reference.

SPEAKER_00 1:50

I was okay, I get it now.

SPEAKER_02 1:51

No worries.

SPEAKER_00 1:52

So you guys I thought this was pretty funny.

SPEAKER_03 1:54

Did Mahito put him in the walls of Jericho?

SPEAKER_02 1:56

Unfortunately, no. I think he just uh jabbed his arm in his belly, killing him. Well, that sounds like a lame finisher. And then he said, you know, Itadori finished the story or something. That's another wrestling reference. Thank you, dear listeners.

SPEAKER_00 2:11

So I thought that was one of the funniest things I saw this week is that the Malaysian government like reached out to Gege Algatami and Suecha and were like, hey, we want to build a statue of Nanami Kento on our beach. Is that cool? And they were just like, uh sure.

SPEAKER_02 2:24

Did I ever tell you about the the one piece statues they built after the earthquakes?

SPEAKER_00 2:27

Yeah, they're all over like uh Japan and different prefectures and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 2:31

Different prefectures.

SPEAKER_03 2:32

Wait, so what do the statues look like though?

SPEAKER_02 2:34

Well, they're big bronze statues, like life-sized of all the k all the straw hats. Oh, that's pretty cool. Yeah, not Nami statue, let's go.

SPEAKER_03 2:41

Is that the one with the mouth that's that uh scares me a little bit?

SPEAKER_02 2:45

Oh don't ask questions you don't want the answers to.

SPEAKER_03 2:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:47

Yeah, those statues look sick. I think Jinbei's gotta be the most recent one.

SPEAKER_00 2:51

I think so. Because I think they're going by like the straw who like the straw hats that join.

SPEAKER_02 2:56

You know that that latest prefecture was like, oh my god, we're gonna get a new new straw hat, and then they were their hopes were immediately dashed.

SPEAKER_00 3:03

Imagine this imagine the prefecture that went, uh, we're fours. Damn, we're gonna get we're gonna get Usa. I hope they were at least like, can we get like God Usa?

SPEAKER_02 3:11

Yeah, God D Usa. Say his name correctly, please.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

Oh also, uh he's not actually D. Also, speaking of like uh Asia, because a lot of this is gonna pertain to Asia. Sorry. This weird handbrake here, you know, keeping the theme of cars.

SPEAKER_02 3:25

All right, what do you got? This this podcast contains no information about cars.

SPEAKER_00 3:29

So apparently North Korea there was somebody hacked a North Korean server or something like that, and there were apparently uh animation, there was a help from animation from Korea. Now, this came from this was from CNN, and I took and I emailed this to myself like about 40 minutes after it was published. And then a couple days after that, all you saw were news articles from comic book reader, anime news network, and other stuff that North Korea illustrators and graphic designers appear to have helped produce works for US animation studios unbeknownst to the companies. Now, other articles were also saying that it wasn't just the US, but also other Japanese uh well other countries that were doing animation, and everybody, every country had to come out like, uh no, no, we did it. We don't work with Korea, especially uh specifically North Korea.

SPEAKER_02 4:12

I mean, it's probably South Korean animators. North Korean animators don't exist because they're starving.

SPEAKER_00 4:17

No, apparently, like these were North Korean servers with North Korean people, like North Korean, yeah. North Koreans were like, they I guess they have to like find jobs outside of North Korea.

SPEAKER_02 4:27

You gotta you gotta make money for the rice somehow.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

Seeing as how they have you know, the North Korea part of Korea has all the food and yet everyone's starving.

SPEAKER_02 4:34

Yeah, Kim Jong un needs all that food or else he'll starve. I don't know why the people are so inconsiderate to his needs. This is a joke. This is not real.

SPEAKER_00 4:42

I love how he also import in a bunch of McDonald's.

SPEAKER_02 4:45

He just has McDonald's workers on retainer. Did you know that once uh Russia invaded Ukraine, they closed all the McDonald's and now they're replaced by fake McDonald's?

SPEAKER_00 4:54

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 4:55

Also, also fake Coca-Cola and Russia, right?

SPEAKER_00 4:58

Yeah, because of the sanctions.

SPEAKER_02 4:59

Yep. Uh okay. So, like instead of Coca-Cola, you get cola product. That's pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

What about the McDonald's, though? What do they call those? I don't know. Some some generic burger thing.

SPEAKER_02 5:09

Okay. Get burger here. Get burger from our restaurant. Still poor quality, no improvements. That's a long ass name. No improvements will be made until morale raises. Beatings will continue until morale raises.

SPEAKER_00 5:21

Okay, so actually, I kind of wanted to come back to like the Black Clover. Apparently, it's coming to Netflix too.

SPEAKER_02 5:28

I believe it was already on Netflix, no?

SPEAKER_00 5:30

Yeah, it that's the thing, is like it was. But here's the saying the under unappreciated series Black Clover is a fantastic shown in anime inspired by man, blah blah blah blah blah. Basically, it's saying it's coming and it's gonna be available to Netflix. So they have the movie exclusively on Netflix, that Black Clover movie I'm not gonna watch.

SPEAKER_02 5:47

I remember watching it. It was pretty it was pretty decent. So not non-canonic, non-canonical, but good otherwise.

SPEAKER_00 5:53

What I just what I was like, okay, so Crunchyroll is still continuing to port over their library, uh, so they can reach a wider audience and then hopefully pull in viewers over to Crunchyroll. I get the strategy.

SPEAKER_02 6:04

As long as I don't have to have a Netflix subscription to continue watching Black Clover, I'll be okay.

SPEAKER_00 6:08

That's kind of what I was thinking, but I just kind of like read this and I was like, unappreciated series. Who are you talking about?

SPEAKER_02 6:14

I feel like this niche series. I feel like Black Clover is like perfectly appreciated.

SPEAKER_03 6:20

It is neither higher nor lower. I'm sure it is.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

Although my hero fans, though, they hate Black Clover.

SPEAKER_03 6:25

At random points in time when I'm looking over Twitter and shit, people are talking about Black Clover still. Like it's not this like niche hidden gem or anything.

SPEAKER_02 6:33

Yeah, do you do you know about Yami? He's pretty cool. He's the coolest guy. You know his name literally means dark. I do know that Andy uses dark magic. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

Sometimes he has to go take a shit a really long time. Oh, and um, just in case people were like sad when Toriyama passed away. Apparently, the uh apparently the Dragon Ball Super Manga is it is coming back. It was confirmed by Shuisha. Now, oh, we don't I don't think this had a release date or anything like that, but we are going to get it at some point. Uh when it does, I will watch it. So, other than that, anime game. Uh, I know our friend Tristan is really looking forward to this one. Have you guys heard about this one? Nope. Like what in the world is this? So this is from the director of Persona 3, 4, and 5. Uh Refantezio. How do you say that? Fantezio?

SPEAKER_01 7:18

Uh Fantezio. Refantazio, I guess. Fantasio, something like that.

SPEAKER_00 7:22

Uh, our friend Tristan was saying it's kind of like um our friend Tristan was saying that this is kind of like um persona five strikers. So I was like, Dynasty Warrior? So it's a Muso game, yeah. I was like Muso.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

Um okay.

SPEAKER_00 7:35

All right. I was a little initially turned off. I might play the game though, still, because it is by the same director. I mean, he kind of didn't miss with Persona 3, 4, or 5, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_02 7:45

Pretty sure all those Muso games are made by the same fucking studio.

SPEAKER_00 7:49

Didn't they do like Hyrule Warriors and like Gundam Warriors and stuff like that?

SPEAKER_02 7:52

Like, as soon as you announce it's a Muso game, my brain is just off. It does not care for those games. Well, I know I know Salem's fan, though.

SPEAKER_03 7:59

I mean, I I wouldn't necessarily mind playing a game like that, but like, is the story good though? Like, is it interesting? Like that that's what it would come down to. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:15

We won't know until the game comes out. So we'll see. We'll see what it is. Um, I don't know if I'll drop $70 right away like I did with Persona 3. I kept falling asleep to that game, if you guys don't remember. Me telling you about it.

SPEAKER_03 8:28

You didn't seem like you were bursting with excitement, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_00 8:31

I did like it, but it was okay. Also, Adventure Time Fiona and Cake drops update on season two. Now, the only reason I'm bringing this one up is for all of my Fiona and Cake fans. Um, I don't know if you guys know what this is.

SPEAKER_02 8:42

Did they just make a spin-off?

SPEAKER_00 8:44

Yeah, they made a spin-off to the uh gender swapped Adventure Time characters, but this is actually a different universe, so they're not like the same characters. So, but the only reason I find this interesting is because Warner Brothers right now is being uh spearheaded by somebody who wants to like destroy movies and not let them out and just cut budgets, and he thinks the future of TVs and reality TV, you know, like Thousand Pound Sisters. Hey, we bought a house, let's flip it. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 9:12

So it's garbage TV.

SPEAKER_00 9:14

Yeah, so I'm is I'm really surprised that this has a season two announcement because I really thought that was it. Animation with Warner Brothers is dead, but I guess not. Also, so is there not like a release date set or anything?

SPEAKER_03 9:27

It's just like an announcement.

SPEAKER_00 9:28

Yeah, it's just an announcement saying, like, hey, season two is confirmed, keep an eye out. And I'm just like, wow, David Zaslov gave an okay for season two on a show. And I'm pretty sure it's probably only because the adventure time name is recognizable and people still eat it up, so oh yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_02 9:44

I I never got it, I'm gonna be honest with you.

SPEAKER_03 9:46

Uh I the show was not for me either. Yeah, I mean I just know people love that stuff, but yeah, this wasn't for me. Okay, I was just checking.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

Now, I don't know if you guys saw the new trailer for Deadpool and Wolverine.

SPEAKER_03 9:59

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 10:01

I did not.

SPEAKER_02 10:02

It looks it looks fine. It looks like another like Deadpool movie to me.

SPEAKER_00 10:06

I showed this to Big Strong Man and she was like, We're watching this.

SPEAKER_02 10:10

Oh, is that right? Yeah, this this seems exactly like that person's uh type of movie.

SPEAKER_00 10:15

I mean, she does she doesn't care for any of this anime shit, the superhero shit. She doesn't care for all that. I mean, she watches Bad Girls Club if that tells you anything. I don't think anyone knows what Bad Girls Club is, except for her. There's gonna be a couple people on here and be like, yo, you dissing on Bad Girls Club? Don't fucking come for them.

SPEAKER_02 10:30

If you watch Bad Girls Club, you can shut the podcast off at this point. This this podcast will not be for you. I see. I see gatekeeping the podcast. No, no, like you have to draw a line in the sand somewhere. Oh, okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

Do you know what Bad Girls Club is, Sher?

SPEAKER_02 10:45

I'm pretty sure you told me, and my brain shut off, so I don't remember.

SPEAKER_00 10:48

Just a bunch of women in a house and then they fight because they get mad at each other.

SPEAKER_02 10:52

Wow, that sounds so exciting. This is just the evolution of like all those fucking Real Housewives shows, right? And so on and so forth.

SPEAKER_00 10:58

Yeah, but at least in Real Housewives they were classy. In this one, they're just hood. Were they classy? Not really.

SPEAKER_02 11:04

But they acted like they were. I don't think they even were.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

So yeah, Deadpool and Wolverine. Um I'm I really want to go watch this. Are we gonna go see this?

SPEAKER_02 11:12

No. I feel like this is a watch it at home kind of deal. What do you do you want to go see Deadpool and Wolverine in the theater?

SPEAKER_03 11:19

So if if I'm being frank and real and true, I personally wouldn't want to um not see it in theaters. I'm fine with watching it here. Yeah, if you want to watch it here, that's perfectly fine.

SPEAKER_02 11:30

But I just this is not for me uh go out and see it at the theaters.

SPEAKER_00 11:34

All right.

SPEAKER_02 11:34

But granted, a lot of movies aren't like that anymore.

SPEAKER_00 11:37

Alright, so me and Big Strong Man.

SPEAKER_02 11:39

Yeah, no, you you two go and enjoy yourselves. Alright, I love her.

SPEAKER_00 11:43

I mean You love who? I love my big strong man. Good, good, good. Oh, damn right. Damn right. Remember when she came out here and was like, uh oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 11:49

Yeah, she does that every time.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

Every time.

SPEAKER_02 11:53

Just cracks me up, man. Just crazy up. I'm gonna start announcing people like coming into the room saying, Is this their entrance music?

SPEAKER_00 12:00

This is what I was talking about earlier. Stellar Blade and Neurotomata. So both directors are like, Yo, you like Neon Genesis? Me too. No, I don't. Now, do you like anime, hot anime girls, hot anime android girls?

SPEAKER_02 12:13

Depends. I don't know. It's like really weird. I have no idea what Stellar Blade is about.

SPEAKER_03 12:18

I will say that I am a fan of 2B, that's for sure. Uh Stellar Blade, I think I saw the trailer or Korea. By the way, because they look very Korean.

SPEAKER_00 12:28

I believe so. Very Korean characters. This is a triple A Korean game.

SPEAKER_02 12:33

Yeah, like the the over design on the outfits really just like screams Korea to me.

SPEAKER_03 12:39

The uh the music that was in like the um, I guess just like the reveal trailer for it, the music fucking slapped, but like the actual like what was happening on screen just it it didn't really draw me out.

SPEAKER_00 12:51

It kind of does. Now, there are a bunch of like costumes and stuff in here. Of course. Yeah, you have to blimpsuit.

SPEAKER_02 12:58

Oh, the PC community is gonna go crazy.

SPEAKER_00 13:00

The PC community is already gone wild. I'm sure.

SPEAKER_02 13:03

Those degenerates, where are they? Look at all these different glasses. Can anyone tell me where I can find these things so I can avoid them at all costs? Besides Stellar Blades, uh wait, was that just a fucking Jason Voorhees fucking costume? Potentially, I wasn't looking at it. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 13:19

So what do you guys think?

SPEAKER_03 13:20

Like oh, she even has uh a little like helper bot just like in your automata too. I didn't even notice that.

SPEAKER_00 13:25

And Punishing Grey Raven, you can't forget about my Chinese man. Absolutely making low budget mobile phone games. Um, so what do you guys think about like Yoko Taro and this the Stellar Blade director just going like, yeah, we we just copied the Nier.

SPEAKER_02 13:39

I'm gonna I'm gonna be honest. I never like played Nier and thought, yeah, this is just Ava.

SPEAKER_03 13:43

Yeah, so well, as someone who hasn't watched Ava, I can't really comment on that too much.

SPEAKER_00 13:48

Okay, so my brother broke it down like this for me. He said that Shinji is Shinji is representative of um what's her fucking name? 2B.

SPEAKER_03 13:57

I don't like from what I from what I know to a limited capacity, I don't understand that. That doesn't sound right.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

Um He said like 2B is a little bit like Shinji because Shinji like you know Shinji keeps saying Ray get hurt and stuff and he can't do any he's not allowed to do anything about it. Uh 9S, spoiler alert, continues to die and it's just part of the program and it breaks her every time. That's why it became like such a big deal about the whole rebirth and like coming back and I still don't see the comparison.

SPEAKER_02 14:25

Like I can see what he's trying to say, but man, when I look at Nier, I do not think man, this is just like Ava.

SPEAKER_00 14:31

I think the story beat, I think what uh all he did was just take the story beats and just change them up a little. Oh, that lady's got bail.

SPEAKER_03 14:37

Okay, I mean I guess maybe if you're talking about story beats, I guess. Again, I don't know too much about Ava's like plot points, but like if we're talking character comparisons, I just don't see the change.

SPEAKER_02 14:47

Don't worry, we got four hours, we can talk all about the Ava story. It's so simple to understand. Oh, it's so simple. If you just understand the third impact, that will make you understand the fourth impact and why we need the spear of longeness in order to I I got lost. Oh, I see.

SPEAKER_00 15:03

My head already hurts.

SPEAKER_02 15:04

I mean, if you like not nothing against the Evangelian, but if you need an explanation video on YouTube to explain to you what happened to Nava because you couldn't parse it yourself, it's a little pretentious for me. Maybe uh they got lost in the sauce a little bit with uh I can't really think of an anime that I've watched where I went, I need an explanation video, maybe RE Zero, but I gave up on that nonsense.

SPEAKER_03 15:28

Yeah, yeah. I I every now and then like I do like watch clips and stuff from like different seasons and whatnot, just because I did enjoy bits of it, but I can't RE Zero. Yeah, Re Zero Re Zero. Yeah, just because like there are you know cool moments. I do enjoy again like the Sin Archbishops and everything like that.

SPEAKER_02 15:46

We talked about it before. We feel like the most interesting parts of RE Zero are when Subaru and Amelia are not involved in the story. That is 100% true, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

Like Wow, that makes a lot of sense because I couldn't get past that first episode extended edition, which just two the first two episodes of the city.

SPEAKER_03 16:04

You mean oh yeah, I think that was like you made 40-50 minutes something like that.

SPEAKER_02 16:07

You mean the fate TM episode, first episode?

SPEAKER_00 16:10

No, so it's basically the I was watching like the special edition or the extended edition. It's basically like it's it basically takes like two episodes at a time and it puts them together.

SPEAKER_03 16:19

That sounds terrible. Uh okay, then I maybe I don't know what you're talking about then because I think the first episode was like pretty lengthy. That sounds right to me.

SPEAKER_00 16:27

Then maybe I watched episode one and it was just too long and I was like, I'm done.

SPEAKER_03 16:30

Well, you're not missing anything. I'll tell you that. If if you want to look at like what I consider to be the coolest thing, the Sin Archbishops, you can just look up clips or something. Like I don't think you need to watch the series.

SPEAKER_02 16:40

I think the witches are cool.

SPEAKER_03 16:41

Oh yeah, yeah, the witches too.

SPEAKER_02 16:43

The witches are cool, the synarchbishops like the great the great calamities or whatever they call them. Like the Oh yeah, like the whale. The whale, the the the like swarm of m murderous bunny rabbits is cool. Yeah, there's a lot of cool things that are dragged down by the fact that I have to watch Subaru Simp for Amelia for the fucking 24th episode in a w in a row.

SPEAKER_03 17:04

You're telling me you got tired of seeing Subaru cry and complaining.

SPEAKER_02 17:08

You remember when Rem was like, hey, I would love to, I don't know, be in a relationship or something and then. He was like, nah. No, get out of Amelia. It's the it's the Simpsons sheep meme where they're batting Rem out of the way to say, Amelia, get out of the way, you.

SPEAKER_00 17:25

Well, one dead franchise for another. I feel like I haven't heard about it already in forever.

SPEAKER_02 17:30

They they're they're literally releasing new episodes. Oh, really?

SPEAKER_03 17:33

It's this season, yeah. Gorose. Oh, for uh for the new season of ReZero. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, they're they're making more of it.

SPEAKER_02 17:40

The fact that none of us have heard about it probably tells us enough.

SPEAKER_00 17:43

Let's see if anybody starts talking about it online.

SPEAKER_03 17:46

I'm sure there'll be videos at the end of the season. Okay. I mean, if we're on Twitter, we're bound to see at least screenshots or something, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_00 17:52

All right. So, do you guys know about Universal? No. Monsters? Nope. Van Helsing?

SPEAKER_03 17:57

Can't say I do. I know about Van Helsing.

SPEAKER_00 17:59

Okay. Well, this isn't Van Helsing related, but basically Universal's been trying to reboot their dark pictures. You like, you know, they're remember uh Dracula Untold and the Mummy with Tom Cruise?

SPEAKER_02 18:09

The thing they canceled immediately after it flopped.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

Do you guys remember the photo where they had like, hey, this is gonna be the entire cast of the dark universe, and nobody was in the same room after like it came out that nobody was in the same room as each other?

SPEAKER_03 18:20

Good. That's pretty funny.

SPEAKER_00 18:21

That shit was hilarious. Well, anyways, I think they just kind of gave up because they have a new Black Lagoon comic book and this artwork looks pretty good. I don't know the writer. So, I mean, I might check out the first issue at least. This is like manga for me. Like, I always at least check out the first two like five chapters of anything. If this is anything, you know, I'll let people know at the end. But I don't know if this is out yet or not. But like it's supposed to be a new launch to like the Universal Monsters. Because at this point, I don't even know what like I don't even think Universal knows what to do, but they just want their own Marvel universe.

SPEAKER_03 18:52

They saw something else being successful, making a lot of money, and they're like, Yeah, we should do that.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

I feel like we're past the the the golden era of the Marvel cinematic universe, and we never entered the DC version of that. So companies trying to like make their own, get in their slice of the pie, like, just stop, please. You're not gonna you're not gonna reinvent the wheel here. Let's just keep throwing shit at the wall, you know? Let's just yeah, we'll just throw endless money at the wall. Yeah, yeah, it'll work out. And when it fails, we'll just cancel it again.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

One thing I think is like funny about that that comic is that that comic is probably not gonna sell very well, and it'll probably be a flop and be canceled. However, the uh what is it, WebTunes uh owner is saying Manwa will overtake manga, and I think he might have thrown comic books under the bus, but he's basically saying, like, yeah, um, people like people are constantly on their phones, and you can just open up a comic at the touch of a button. Why would anybody want manga? Plus, they're colors. That's kind of how I read this.

SPEAKER_02 19:48

I mean, this is this is like so far deep into the argument of why would anyone want to own physical media? Like, like, I get it for collecting purposes, but at this point, who's sitting there holding a manga reading it anymore? Me.

SPEAKER_03 19:59

And yes, I know. I have Ragnar Crimson to read, Sherm. Okay. How many volumes do you own? I own three currently.

SPEAKER_02 20:08

Sorry, chapters. Same wait, is it a volume? Said volumes. Yeah, volume is collected chapters. Yeah, yeah. So, no, you read and you you both are weird.

SPEAKER_03 20:16

Like most people No, like look seriously though. I I don't I like collecting uh, you know, manga physically if I can.

SPEAKER_02 20:23

No, I I I realize that you do, but I feel like I'm in the majority on this where m most people either don't can't afford to collect physical media anymore or just don't have the space for it.

SPEAKER_00 20:34

I completely understand that.

SPEAKER_03 20:35

Yeah, I mean, off the top of my head, if we're talking like just raw money, yeah, it's most definitely cheaper just to read your stuff online.

SPEAKER_00 20:41

Like, this is the thing I was talking about earlier: the Power Rangers Boom, the Boom Power Rangers comic, it you know, the collected me the collected versions are like $75 for like 12 issues. Like, yeah, I want to read these, but that's expensive.

SPEAKER_02 20:54

Uh I also don't know why he's making the comment that Monwa will take over manga. That doesn't really translate because manga just manga is also digitally available. I was gonna say manga is also digitally available just like comics are like this is a weird argument. Like if you're saying Monwa will take over paper manga, sure. But I feel like most paper things are going away anyway.

SPEAKER_00 21:14

I think one of his arguments is that hey, you know how like people are already like wired to scroll down on their phone? Yeah, like manwa is designed that way.

SPEAKER_02 21:23

I mean, I think it translates better, but if like the reason that's kind of a leap, if you ask me. I don't think that's entirely the reason. Yeah, it's like depending on which uh site you use to read manga, you can do that too.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

I think one of the I think the major points were you already ha own a phone that's they're almost free. Almost all of them are free. And then it's like they're colored. What do you got?

SPEAKER_02 21:44

I mean, the color thing helps me immensely because I don't really I don't really like when I read manga I lose a lot, so the color helps a lot. 'Cause at a certain point during an action scene, especially in like some of the newer mangas nowadays, like JJK and Chainsaw Man are perfect examples of. This, you just lose what's going on in the scene. To a certain point, I just start skipping the actual action and read the bubbles to learn what the fuck just happened.

SPEAKER_03 22:09

I mean, as someone that does read manga and manwah on their phone, like, yeah, manwa being in color is cool, but like when I'm reading manga and it's not colored, it's not really taking away or really, you know, it's not a detriment to manga where it's just in, you know, black and white. It doesn't really matter to me.

SPEAKER_00 22:25

Well, do you think we'd lo do you think we're losing something by getting rid of physical media? Like getting rid of like the page? No, I'm asking for real because like I enjoy reading comic books. I enjoy reading a manga. Like I enjoy having it in my collection, so then I can be like so then I can be like, look, here's the collected Yeah, you got a display piece, you can just route it at any point and just flip to whatever you need.

SPEAKER_03 22:45

It just and I do prefer reading physically to digitally.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

But like, do you think we're losing something if we just completely start transitioning to like no fit like no physical?

SPEAKER_03 22:53

I mean like objectively we'd be losing something because now we only have one option as opposed to two, but I mean like you know I would think it'd be unfortunate if we purely moved away from like physical media.

SPEAKER_02 23:05

I think I think this also might come down to like it being a lifestyle thing. Like if I could physically own all of a manga and also physically have the time to sit there hold the manga in my hand and read it, sure, that might be a different argument. But I think we're at least, you know, you you two both own physical manga, but most of your manga reading is done on your phone.

SPEAKER_03 23:26

Overall, yeah, that's true. I mean, I only own like a handful of series, uh, and multiple volumes of said series. So if I compare that to like everything that I read, you know, uh yeah, you'd be right on that.

SPEAKER_02 23:38

Like, I'd love to own the entire physical copy of The Promised Neverland. Do I have room for it? No. Do I want to pay for it? Like to own all those volumes? No. Would it be cool? Yes. I think that's just kind of where at least I'm at, where it's just like I don't have time to sit and physically read a book or pay to own the books or even like have space to display the books. Yeah, I mean that's perfectly understandable.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

That's fair. Okay. So saying we're gonna lose one thing to another, uh, apparently during the Funimation Crunchyroll transition, apparently Crun uh Crunchyroll has just not put a couple of things on the streaming site. I tried to watch something a while back and it just the the page is there. If you look at it online, if you like Google for it online, the page will be there, but it just won't be there. But if you try to like search it for it on Crunchyroll, it'll just say nothing's found.

SPEAKER_03 24:26

So like what if you search it and it says it's on there, you click on the link and then just it doesn't pop up?

SPEAKER_00 24:31

Yeah, it'll be like no nothing here, and it'll say sorry, error, error, nothing here. Well, that's strange. So I don't really know what Crunchyroll is doing. Do you think it's a server thing? What like why have we why aren't we getting some of these things? Because one of the first things they transitioned over was like Dragon Ball Z. Okay, so I have a couple of questions here.

SPEAKER_02 24:47

Like, what are the let's be honest, what are the major titles that we're actually missing? Because a couple of Gundam. Okay. So like the argument here is that Fun Funimation said, Hey, we're merging with Crunchyroll, we're gonna port our entire library over, correct? Yes. Okay, so these were just people that paid for a Funimation subscription, correct?

SPEAKER_00 25:09

Correct. I these are people who only pay for Funimation. Okay. I mean, sorry. No, these are people who only pay for Crunchyroll. They may have not Okay, sorry, let me start that over.

SPEAKER_02 25:18

They p they pay for Funimation.

SPEAKER_00 25:19

And now they're in with Crunchyroll, and now they're missing a couple of their series.

SPEAKER_02 25:23

Okay, so I might be in the minority, and that's totally fine. Really? Who cares? Like, okay, no, look at the list and you point out to me the ones that you say, Man, it's such a shame we lost that. But what about a certain magical index shrimp? What about that was like a movie, and you know it.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

But like for some reason it says Bakemonari is not on there, but it is. I was gonna say, I'm gonna go.

SPEAKER_02 25:45

I feel like Bakay Monogatari's been on there for a long time.

SPEAKER_00 25:47

Yeah, it's never not been on there.

SPEAKER_03 25:49

Like, I'm sure these are uh these are cult classics for some, but like Oh, Kogiyasa, Akito the Exile, we're not missing anything, folks. That that was trash. There was one cool thing about it, and it was the Centaur nightmare for another thing.

SPEAKER_02 26:03

I understand people are gonna say, well, Funimation said they would, so it should be there. No, I get it. Like, I'm totally with you wanting to complain about the fact that they said they would do a thing and they haven't done a thing. Right, on principle. These are niche, incredibly niche shows, except for sure some of the Dragon Ball movies, maybe, or some of these like one-off shows. But who is really complaining about this loss?

SPEAKER_00 26:26

Uh, hold on, I might have gotten this confused. Per the listing per list compiled by one of the moderators and Crunchyroll Discord were saying, uh-huh. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 26:34

It's that they were on Funimation, now they're not on Crunchyroll.

SPEAKER_03 26:37

And I mean, if we are being real about this, I mean, at the end of the day, uh, you know, of course it's not condoned or anything, but like if there are if there are shows missing uh due to that merger that happened, uh, I'm sure you could find other ways to enjoy several ways to enjoy your favorite anime.

SPEAKER_02 26:56

Like, I do I I feel like if you're listening to this podcast, you're probably already aware of ways you can find to watch things that you may not own. Not that we're condoning that.

SPEAKER_03 27:05

Right.

SPEAKER_02 27:05

It does suck that it's not on the website, but there are ways to from what from what Jose's looking up like on just a Crunchyroll browser, it looks like some of this is being ported. It may just be that it's taking time because I mean that's a large amount of data to put on a server, plus you have to you have to create a a page for it on Crunchyroll, you have to link everything together, you have to set up the episodes. Like this could honestly just be it's taking time.

SPEAKER_00 27:33

I think you're right. I don't know what this I should have checked this, I should have like checked this before bringing this up, but it does look like a lot of these are still on Crunchyroll. Now, some of the ones that aren't, you're right. They're like pretty niche or like nowhere to be found.

SPEAKER_02 27:45

But like if your favorite show is Zillion and it's no longer available on Funimation, I feel like you just go find it somewhere, watch it. Funimation is not Funimation and Crunchyroll are not losing out on enough money to where it's gonna matter. That that's just my whole thing. Like, I've been seeing this over and over about oh, the digital library isn't available. Well, for one, you're paying a subscription, so like it was never your media to begin with. You were just paying to access it. Right. If it's not there, go get it somewhere else.

SPEAKER_03 28:14

Mm-hmm. Like it's not erased from the internet, it is physically available for one. Yeah, like that too.

SPEAKER_02 28:20

Yeah, if you really want it, go buy the Blu-rays or the DVDs, whatever they were made on.

SPEAKER_00 28:25

But you're right, there are ways to get it elsewhere where we don't condone any Jolly Ranchering, but Jolly Rogering, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 28:32

I got you Jolly Ranchering. Honestly, it's better that way.

SPEAKER_03 28:35

Yes, you don't have to raise your Jolly Rogers. Uh it you can still enjoy the media that you love, it's not gone.

SPEAKER_02 28:41

This is why, like, I'm such a big advocate for this, because when shitty companies act shitty and do bad things to you, do bad things back to them.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

It's like Ubisoft.

SPEAKER_02 28:50

Yeah, it's like it's like all the like, hey, we we made this digital digital game that requires servers to be hosted in a year, they shut down the servers. And then some guys like, I don't know how with duct tape and rubber bands I put together like four servers you can all play on, like good. I'm glad that man did that because some people still want to play that game. Like it may not be entirely legal, but I'm glad someone is doing the work or it's available somewhere for you.

SPEAKER_01 29:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:16

And I mean, if if you can find it somewhere, you can probably download it somewhere, and then you can burn your own disc and you'll physically own it. I agree. It's just like when a company is going to do something bad and not follow through on one of their promises, take it to that company by doing something they might not approve of. Like if media is not physically available for you to get your hands on in any way, whether buying it, finding a streaming service, take it into your own hands at that point.

SPEAKER_00 29:43

I mean, I guess that's I agree. That's where I'll end that one, because like, yeah, we're losing we're losing a couple of things, but like we're not losing shows that people that millions of people are still watching repeatedly every day.

SPEAKER_02 29:54

It'd be different if you went on like you were watching One Piece or Dragon Ball or anything on ongoing shows. Yeah, and it switched to fun from Funimation to Crunchyroll, and they were like, just gone.

SPEAKER_03 30:06

Yeah, sorry guys, no more one piece. Yeah, you can't have it.

SPEAKER_02 30:09

It's out of our hands. So you'll never discover what the One Piece is.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

Well, uh, I think I brought up your name last week about how like everyone's gonna be watching uh Suzame and making their own edits.

SPEAKER_03 30:20

Oh, yeah, yeah. This was brought up last week.

SPEAKER_00 30:22

So the your name uh animators or artists um is making a new movie, The Garden of Words, and I'm just gonna tell you this like still right here looks absolutely gorgeous in my opinion.

SPEAKER_02 30:32

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say anime movies like Your Name, Um A Silent Voice, Susan May. Like, I know they may not all be from the same company. I think they look better than Miyazaki movies and probably have better stories.

SPEAKER_00 30:46

They some of them definitely do. Like Miyazaki has always looked phenomenal, but I think it looks it looks incredible.

SPEAKER_02 30:52

I'm not gonna say his artwork is not great, but man, sometimes his stories just lose me. And that might be me. I'm not saying you're wrong for liking Miyazaki movies. I just personally haven't enjoyed some of the ones that I watched.

SPEAKER_03 31:02

Well, hell, I mean, when we watched uh The Boy and the Heron, the plot was not complete garbage, but it also wasn't great either.

SPEAKER_02 31:09

Academy Award-winning Boy and the Heron. Yes. Which did it win for animation?

SPEAKER_00 31:13

Uh The Boy and the Heron. It just won in general, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

Which, you know, that that could just be the category being animation, being that Miyazaki movies always look fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

Now, this movie is called A New Dawn. I think I said a garden of words. No, I think your name and a garden of words are the name of like the two projects this. Oh, from the artist, yeah. Yeah. How do you say that?

SPEAKER_03 31:33

Yoshitoshi, Shinomiya. Yeah, Shinomiya.

SPEAKER_00 31:36

Yeah, so it looks like he's gonna make his own feature debut because I think he was just doing character designs for those other two movies. So he'll just be breaking out with this. And I don't know if you've seen some of these stills that I've been just kind of like scrolling through. Uh, everyone should look this up. Uh A New Dawn. These stills are pretty amazing, they're pretty gorgeous, in my opinion. And yes, you're right. Sometimes they look even better than some of Miyazaki's stuff. I don't know. So far, it looks solid. And though I mean, the article I'm pulling up from Variety is just three stills, but goddamn, does this not look amazing? It looks like it almost looks like watercolor brush art.

SPEAKER_02 32:08

Yeah. I think I think movie looked good. It it looks pretty crisp, honestly. Maybe watch movie when movie come out.

SPEAKER_00 32:15

I think this is one of those movies like we sh like I wish they would just like bring it not day one, but like at least when like the movie's coming out, kind of like a day and day release or like maybe a week release after Japan. I don't know, something like that, because I feel like we don't get anything here.

SPEAKER_02 32:30

We have Suzume. It's all in Crunchyroll, right? I know, but like in theaters.

SPEAKER_00 32:35

I'm pretty sure Suzume came to theaters. But I'm saying, like, there was no advertising, no promotion. Not on my end. Like that movie went completely over my head, and then I'm like, what is this?

SPEAKER_02 32:44

It's such like a low budget project compared to like Hollywood that you're never gonna get the same kind of same kind of marketing for it. So you just kind of have to have your finger on the pulse in this kind of scenario.

SPEAKER_00 32:54

Well, speaking of um Miyazaki winning at the Oscars, apparently the Oscars have put in a new Oscar rule for easier qualification for an animated movie. Now, does this look like an animated movie to you? I think this was rotoscope.

SPEAKER_03 33:07

This looks awful. I mean, going by the still here, I mean it could be an animated movie.

SPEAKER_02 33:11

Okay. Somebody drew this in five minutes and collected on this article. It could be a YouTube short video.

SPEAKER_00 33:17

Okay, so what I did look up the two artists that these movies are about, this article from IndieWire. So these two animated movies are from places like Indonesia, but basically places where you don't see an animated feature because it's just too expensive. Plus, you really wouldn't see a movie come out of this country anyways, because making movies is expensive. So the fact that somebody has been able to like do an animated thing in their style of their country or just have like their vision on screen. I kind of want to see this now. If it turns out to be ass, I mean that's the fault of that movie and director. But even if it's good, I want to give it like a shout out because this is you know, a lot of countries are struggling to like get their stuff out, especially lower income countries. And I mean, this doesn't look like the best artwork in my opinion, but the fact that they were able to get something done, I would say is like a big achievement, in my opinion. And okay, so I think part of it was that it says right here previously animated movies selected as a country's international feature selection, something something we're not qualified to enter for animated feature consideration unless they also met the qualifying standards for general entry, which was a theatrical US distribution release. I think they got rid of this arbitrary rule because it was like if you didn't release a movie in the US, like if it didn't come out and theatrically in the US, you're not nominated, you can't be nominated, which I think is a bullshit rule. So I'm glad they got rid of it. I mean, even if I still can't watch this movie, I'm gonna find it somewhere at some point. But I'm glad these movies are getting recognition, I suppose. I mean, I don't know, like I know you guys don't care for like international stuff and things like that, but in my opinion, I think this is a good step forward for other countries to like get noticed and we can see like their animation.

SPEAKER_02 34:51

Honestly, who cares about the Oscars anymore?

SPEAKER_00 34:53

I mean, I'm of the same opinion, but the fact that the Oscars put me on to these two movies, I kind of want to watch, is like probably the only good thing they've done in like the last 10 years.

SPEAKER_03 35:02

If people are pouring their passion and like their money and stuff like that into their project and they believe, like, hey, you know, we want we had a story to tell, and we wanted animated, you know, we wanted people to see it and enjoy it, they should be recognized for it. I agree, you know, instead of just kind of being this like super niche, like not really seen thing, you know, after all the time they put into it.

SPEAKER_00 35:23

Yeah, see this movie's like from the Philippines. Now, the Philippines, I don't know if you've ever seen the exchange rate, it's absolutely crazy. You could take five dollars saying you're basically like a millionaire, if I remember correctly.

SPEAKER_02 35:33

Is that right? I think you're thinking of Venezuela.

SPEAKER_00 35:35

I mean that one too. Yeah, I'm just saying, like, these are countries where you can like get basically like a family dinner course for like 10. For like ten dollars. Like, yeah, it's almost like a buffet level of like food that's coming out to you for like ten dollars. Damn. Now that's that's not entirely correct, but it that's like the example, anyways. So yeah, just moving on from this, I'm glad the Oscars are changing the rules because obviously they're absolutely out of date and I hate them. So just glad that is kind of going away. And one of the last things I wanted to bring up was this T T P Bond. It's an animated Netflix movie. Um, so this is basically by the Doramon guy. I don't know if you guys ever watched Doramon, but this is supposed to be like a this is supposed to be like a time travel kind of thing. I think the animation kind of looks really good. Reminds me of Ranking of Kings. Is that the one?

SPEAKER_02 36:20

I mean that's the one, but I don't think this looks like Ranking of Kings. This reminds me almost like old school S right away. Yeah, like like that. Yeah, this definitely looks old school.

SPEAKER_00 36:29

It looks old school. And I was hoping that would catch your attention. I mean, the story looks absolutely bonkers, and I kind of want to watch this. Now, when I saw that it was by the Dora Mon guy, I thought like, is this gonna be like a children's kind of thing? But the trailer hints to a like more mature story. So I don't know, like in your guys' opinions, like what do you think of this? Like, you're watching the trailer right now.

SPEAKER_03 36:51

So um just going by what I'm seeing, I don't think this is necessarily for me. I mean, I'd probably need to like read a plot synopsis to really like understand what's going on here. Nope. I don't think I would enjoy the story very much.

SPEAKER_00 37:04

Yeah, this doesn't tickle your fancy. It doesn't look like it. I think I will check this out once it comes out, but uh here's a think a plot synopsis right here.

SPEAKER_02 37:12

Oh, there's a witch burning scene in there. Okay. Do you not see the periods of history he goes through?

SPEAKER_00 37:18

I'm seeing a few.

SPEAKER_02 37:18

I'm seeing a few, but that's the one that stuck out.

SPEAKER_00 37:20

Wow, so it's they already got like season one and season two ready to go, according to this description on Netflix. But yeah, ordinary junior high school student encounters encounters the pages of history, and apparently this was a manga. Yeah, it's getting adapted. And I don't know if you I you guys aren't gonna get into it, that's completely fine. I might watch it. I don't know if I'll you know, you guys know how I am. Sure. Every now and then I'll be like, yeah, I'm gonna completely I'm just not gonna watch full metal or black lagoon or you know, something good, and I'm just gonna watch something off off absolutely terrible.

SPEAKER_03 37:50

Yeah, I mean it could be a banger, who knows?

SPEAKER_02 37:52

Yeah, arcane, skip that.

SPEAKER_00 37:54

All right, so getting onto the meat and bones of this thing. Kendrick said, fuck the big three.

SPEAKER_02 37:59

It's one piece, it's just big me. Yeah, you you think one piece is just big me? Look, it's the only one left, and it's still high quality years fucking later. Don't fucking step to me like that.

SPEAKER_03 38:10

I didn't do anything.

SPEAKER_02 38:12

It's always been one piece, always has, always will be.

SPEAKER_00 38:14

I would say J. Cole is it a little bit bleach, and then obviously Naruto's Drake. He's too overhyped, too overpopular, and he's not as good as people say he is.

SPEAKER_02 38:24

Man, that that later part of his career really went downhill just like Boroto, huh? That's crazy. Oh boy. You remember when he streamed with Ninja on Fortnite? Oh my god, dude. Popped off for his career.

SPEAKER_00 38:36

I dislike Drake with a passion. I'm well aware. I I listened to like his first two uh like first three albums, and then he just he started releasing music annually like fucking Ubisoft, and I was like, what is this shit?

SPEAKER_02 38:48

Dude, the Drake 3 uh black flag is gonna go nuts. You're not gonna believe what it's like.

SPEAKER_00 38:54

Dude, look okay. I'm sorry, this is does ha this has nothing to do with anime or anything, but I want you to take a look at something. I want to show you guys something that absolutely pisses me off.

SPEAKER_02 39:02

Is it the hair thing again?

SPEAKER_00 39:03

No, I don't care about his hair.

SPEAKER_02 39:05

Folks, Jose is in the zone right now. Can we at least watch Ren and Luvia fight each other again? Yeah, let's see that suplex again. Oh my god, it's such a good German suplex cherry on top at the end of that show, by the way. Leaves on a strong note. I mean, like, you've already enjoyed your time with it. Most things turned out the way you wanted, and then you're like two hot girls doing German suplexes to each other. I'm into this. Okay, check this out. Do you see this? Do you see this app? I see a pregnant. Why does Drake's albums look like Magic the Gathering cards?

SPEAKER_00 39:36

This this is like a little bit. This is from his album Certified Lover Boy. Look at this shit.

SPEAKER_02 39:41

This is why are there a bunch of pregnant women emojis on my stream? And speaking of which, have you seen have you heard the single mom song that's been blowing up on TikTok? Is it a Drake song? No, but it's it's better than Drake. Are you talking about single moms? I'll have to show this to you later. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 39:57

Just just look at these fucking album covers. They're absolutely horrendous. I fucking hate them.

SPEAKER_02 40:02

Well, don't worry, Jose. We all hate this.

SPEAKER_00 40:05

Like, there are good album covers, like, but god damn, like what is this? Like, at least half of his discography is just his face.

SPEAKER_03 40:12

We have a drawing made by a great schooler. Pull pull up M's for all the dogs.

SPEAKER_00 40:16

This is what this is what Kendrick was talking about. For all the dogs, they're getting buried. Let's pull up M's album covers and look at the greatness. Which one?

SPEAKER_02 40:22

M's. M M. That's right. Goddamn correct. Don't step to my boy. I want to know what the Drake magic cards do. Or they're two and a blue counter spell. That's crazy. Oh boy.

SPEAKER_00 40:31

Like these are pretty good. Like you got the shady LP, uh, Shady2.

SPEAKER_02 40:35

Yo, yo, the the the curtain into him coming back out of the curtain for the encore. To him later doing the curtain call. That man's on some shit.

SPEAKER_00 40:45

Dude, relapse, his face is just made out of pills and not just like a stupid portrait or drawing of him. That's pretty sick.

SPEAKER_02 40:52

Do you remember So we we didn't have grade schoolers draw this one? Do you remember when MGK uh dissed his daughter? So he made a diss track so hot that MGK switched fucking genres.

SPEAKER_00 41:02

I'm sure somebody will probably try to like No, he was already gonna switch.

SPEAKER_02 41:07

Like, shut up. MGK sucks. I have people that I know that unironically love MGK and I question their existence.

SPEAKER_00 41:13

As you should. Yeah. Okay, so let's get to the main topic, the big three. Sherm, you want to start us off with one piece without spoiling anything?

SPEAKER_02 41:20

Not especially. You go first.

SPEAKER_00 41:22

Alright, so Naruto. It's not as good as people think, in my opinion. Please explain. Okay, so as we've recently learned, Kishimoto is not a storyteller. Can you tell?

SPEAKER_02 41:30

Yeah, are we gonna talk about that? Where his editor was like, hey, what if you added Sasuke? Sasuke Uchiha. Like you have to understand that Kishimoto wrote Naruto and didn't have Sasuke in it.

SPEAKER_00 41:41

You okay, we have to understand that everybody for years has have has known that Kishimoto was originally gonna make a story about some about a fox kid who makes ramen and a couple of the characters are carried over. But what we didn't know is that his story was so bad that his editor basically plotlined everything. Well, most of it. But like as you get further into the manga, I don't know how much like I don't know how much influence um Kishimoto had because once you get to the fourth great ninja war, I'm just like, this goes on for fucking ever. It goes on for like 27 volumes, and then it just kind of ends like a wet part with a fucking moon ninja princess lady. Hey, she's the mother of all chakra. That is so get it correct.

SPEAKER_02 42:21

She she planted the tree. Get it as as my boy once said, get it right or get it tight.

SPEAKER_00 42:28

You it should have ended with Obito being the one to orchestrate everything, then Modara coming in, becoming real lived, getting defeated. That's it. Should have ended it there. Why did you continue?

SPEAKER_03 42:38

Or especially Modara should have been the endgame villain. They beat him, we're all good. That should have been No, no, no. You all don't understand. Oh, we oh they're all in the infinite Tsukiyumi right now. Oh, when were we not in in the infinite Tsukuyomi? That's the real question. I just have I shown you my Shikai yet. Oh, how are you under the impression that I didn't show it to you? God, the mind games.

SPEAKER_00 43:01

Look, I grew up with this series. I have the manga back there. I have reread this multiple times to see like, am I the one in the wrong? I'm not. It's just not a good story. It has great moments, great action beats. This is like Naruto is kind of like um good bad movie. I can't think of a good bad movie. What's a movie with like great action, great cinematography, and just a shitty story?

SPEAKER_02 43:23

G.I. Joe. G.I. Joe. No, honestly, I unironically love that movie. I know how bad it is. I know that it probably stomps all over the source material that doesn't stop me from loving it. I the one with Channing Tate Yum. Is that the second one or the first one? The first one. Yeah, that one. Yeah. I think I watched it. We got the ending steamer. Like you can call me Commander.

SPEAKER_00 43:45

With Snake Eye lips? Um, I he had lips on that first one. I just remembered.

SPEAKER_02 43:51

Oh no. Wait. Oh no. Which one's the Joe Ninja? Oh, that's Snake Eyes. I don't think he did. I think he wore a mask. Yeah, we had Snake Eyes and Yeah, he did. Okay. Oh, that looks so bad. No, what are you talking about? It looks incredible. Oh, does it? They removed the lips for the second one. As they should. Snake Eyes 2, my favorite movie. Oh, finally. Did they m they made spin-offs, didn't they? I forgot about those.

SPEAKER_00 44:16

They made the Snake Eyes movie back in 2021. I don't know if we'll ever get to this, but I mean, dude, Naruto, like Naruto is particularly overhyped. A lot of us grew up with it just kind of like how a lot of people grew up with like Dragon Ball. A lot of us can tell you Dragon Ball isn't a great narrative, but there's great, you know, great action. It's the same with Naruto. Naruto has some great beats and there's some good, like sad moments or like some good moments where like you're like, oh, that was sad. That was like that hit me where it hurts. But that doesn't mean the overall story is good. I mean, if you stop that like if you stopped at Naruto, if you're reading Naruto or watching Naruto, hopefully you're not watching Naruto, because god damn, that shit is full of filler.

SPEAKER_02 44:55

Yeah, you just skip it all. That's what I did. It still wasn't worth it.

SPEAKER_00 44:58

It it holds up up until like Naruto holds up until like until you have to like take out the Akatsuki one by one. Then I'm just kind of like, this is dragging ass so hard. Especially with the Shikamaru part. I understand Shikamaru had to have his moment, but like I was just bored, man. But I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 45:15

I I like Shikamaru a lot. He's one of the few characters that I enjoy from.

SPEAKER_03 45:19

I'm gonna be honest with you. At least with the Akatsuki stuff, I was still on board with Naruto at that point.

SPEAKER_00 45:23

Right, but like, can you tell me how like Daidera died? Can you tell me how Kuzon died? Didn't Dadera get killed by Obi.

SPEAKER_02 45:29

Didera. Oh, what's up? Didn't Daiderag get killed by Obito?

SPEAKER_03 45:32

Oh Dadora uh killed himself. Yeah, that's right. He's a suicide. Yeah. The um when he was fighting Sasuke, uh and um uh Obito, Toby at the time was Dadera's partner. Uh Toby took the fuck off, and Dadera was fighting Sasuke, and Daidera and in a fit of absolute rage uh decided that his best solution in this moment was to blow himself up. He turned himself into a bomb. Really hit him with the Pedro.

SPEAKER_00 45:58

And that's what I'm saying. Like, can you really tell me this guy was memorable? He don't? Can you tell me Kakazu was memorable?

SPEAKER_03 46:04

Unironically, I actually are you gonna say they're memorable? Which one was fucking Kakuzu?

SPEAKER_00 46:09

Uh Kakazu was Yeah, like four hearts or some bullshit. Kakuzu was the right.

SPEAKER_02 46:16

And uh they were uh they had like the weird like hair thing.

SPEAKER_00 46:19

You know, yeah, do you know how he gets defeated? Kakashi and a bunch of other ninja are struggling against them. Then Naruto comes in like this is my Rasenwin Shuriken. Like reveal. He just comes in at the end.

SPEAKER_02 46:31

Hey, do you remember when the Russian Rosen Shuriken used to damage Naruto so he couldn't use it? I guess. Oh oops.

SPEAKER_00 46:39

Because he just throws it with one of his like fucking ninja tails or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 46:42

If I just throw it with one of my clones, it doesn't hurt him.

SPEAKER_03 46:45

We need our main character to keep using the cool move people like. We can't have it hurt him. I don't even think the Rosen Shuriken's that cool.

SPEAKER_00 46:51

Kisamei?

SPEAKER_03 46:52

I don't think so either.

SPEAKER_00 46:53

He was okay. Saucery, does anyone care for Saucery? He got beat by Sakura. Yeah, I put your hand down.

SPEAKER_02 46:59

Like it's weird. At a certain point, I started cheering for Saucery. Uh really was on the fence between Saucery and uh Grandma Chiho, whatever the fuck her name was. I don't remember.

SPEAKER_03 47:11

Uh Granny Chiyo, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:13

Um like white Zetsu, black Zetsu, like what are these fucking characters, dog?

SPEAKER_02 47:17

So if we're talking Akatsu, yo, Naruto was in the Akotski, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 47:22

This Google page is absolutely wrong.

SPEAKER_03 47:24

Well, it's sourced from across the web, so if we're talking Akatsuki, like honestly, I liked most of them. Like Zetsu was kind of whatever because he just wasn't doing very much. Like he wasn't like actively fighting anybody at the time. But like Hidon was my favorite Akotsky member. No, like I get it. He fights with the scythe. Like, I'm here for it.

SPEAKER_00 47:43

Okay, he's got a cool weapon.

SPEAKER_03 47:45

I like the voodoo man kind of, you know.

SPEAKER_02 47:47

All right.

SPEAKER_00 47:48

But tell me, what was the pl what was the goal of the Ikotsky?

SPEAKER_03 47:51

They were to gather the tailed beasts.

SPEAKER_00 47:54

For what? So they could summon the ten tails.

SPEAKER_03 47:57

Pain's original plan was that he wanted to gather all the tailed beasts and put them back inside the uh Ghetto Mazo statue. And then apparently he was going to give every nation uh their own like mega powerful jutes. That is what it wasn't Pain's original plan.

SPEAKER_00 48:15

That's what it became because of Zetsu and Black Zetsu. So uh oh uh Can you tell okay, is this plot riveting? Does this have you at the edge of your seat?

SPEAKER_03 48:26

I kept watching I I was fine with it at the time.

SPEAKER_00 48:30

Could you redo it now, like some people do? They rewatch the show.

SPEAKER_02 48:33

I feel like I couldn't rewatch it. I feel like if Naruto was paced better, cut into 12 or 24 episode anime seasonally, this shit would have gotten cancelled by now. Like after the tuning exams, we would have cut this shit off.

SPEAKER_00 48:47

And see, and that's what I'm talking about. Like up until Naruto, that shit kind of slaps. Rock Lee vs. Gara, Sasuke vs. Naruto. Yeah, classics. Uh Zabuza vs. Kakashi, that kind of stuff, that's what drew you in. And yet because you became attached to these characters, you kind of stayed around for this fucking plot about hey, we're gonna collect the tails and we're gonna make this ultimate jutsu, we're gonna give it to every country. Oh my god, this guy, he's the son of uh space ninja. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 49:18

I mean, I will say the idea of putting the entire world under the infinite Tsukiumi is a cool idea.

SPEAKER_00 49:24

See, that's fine.

SPEAKER_03 49:27

Yeah, there were there were layers to this whole thing. It was just like you thought this was the endgame villain, no, it's actually this guy, no, it's actually this guy.

SPEAKER_02 49:34

I feel like that's just like that's evident in his writing overall.

SPEAKER_00 49:39

Because I I enjoyed it more when I didn't have to deal with Naruto sometimes. In my opinion. Sometimes when I was only doing it.

SPEAKER_03 49:50

I enjoyed Naruto when Naruto was not on screen.

SPEAKER_02 49:52

The side characters are some of the best parts. Unfortunately, they don't matter, and they never will because Naruto is ninja Jesus. Oh yeah. Like, uh, do I need to bring up how uh Mike Guy should have just ended the entire fucking show? But then uh no.

SPEAKER_03 50:10

No, no.

SPEAKER_00 50:11

No, he gets a broken foot and he gets to live.

SPEAKER_03 50:15

Also, because uh they were setting up for Naruto and Sasuke and they have to get involved, so of course, you know.

SPEAKER_02 50:20

You know, Mike Guy unlocked the the the eight gates. Oh yeah, is it eight or ten? Eight of the eight gates, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:26

See, and that was built up from the moment we met Rock Lee and Guy. That you cannot open the eighth gate.

SPEAKER_03 50:32

And in the back of our minds, you'll just do this guy. But in the back of our minds, we're wanting to actually see that happen at some point. I want to see Mike Guy dead, not in a wheelchair.

SPEAKER_00 50:41

Because that would be such a good sacrifice.

SPEAKER_02 50:43

That's a good statement. I want to see Mike. Who cares about fucking what's his name with the fucking swastika on his head? Nedji. Oh, Nedji.

SPEAKER_00 50:52

That's the only death we got, and it was kind of like a oh take care of Hinata kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02 50:56

You got Asuma, I guess, which was emotional for probably me and Salem, but Yeah, I mean I mean it hit me when it happened.

SPEAKER_00 51:04

See, and that right there, that's a good story plot line driven by the characters. Asuma, Sarutobi, and No, fuck Saratobi.

SPEAKER_02 51:12

Saratobi sucks.

SPEAKER_00 51:13

Okay, Saratobi sucks, but I'm saying the entire Saratobi like that entire plot was really well written. And yet he can't deliver this kind of quality to like the rest of his fucking manga. What is going on? Oh, he's not writing it himself.

SPEAKER_02 51:29

I I wouldn't say Sar Saratobi's well written because No, Saratobi's well written to be an asshole.

SPEAKER_00 51:34

He's real he's well written, he's well written to be the terror the most terrible guy.

SPEAKER_02 51:39

I wouldn't even say that because they tried the entire show to make you think he was the fucking sweet unc sweet grandpa of the village that was gonna do anything.

SPEAKER_03 51:47

When we get like remembering Saratobi, it's never in like a negative way. Like, especially with like uh Osama.

SPEAKER_02 51:54

It was never negative until people went, Man, so Saratobi just put Naruto in an apartment. Like, yeah, now you look back at it, yeah, and well, not a great guy, actually. Yeah, it's like when you go back and look at it, you go, Oh no, Sar Saratobi was a monster.

SPEAKER_00 52:08

Remember, uh Hashirama was like for all the people, yet his brother was a fucking racist. Like what I get it.

SPEAKER_02 52:17

Like those those fucking like to be eliminated. No, Toby Rama was right. Think about it. All the fucking uh Sharingons are the problem in this universe.

SPEAKER_00 52:28

That does stem back to a lot of people, but to like ostracize them and then kill them, that is kind of going a bit too far.

SPEAKER_02 52:34

I mean, did Hitler go too far?

SPEAKER_00 52:36

I mean, was Aaron right? Was Aaron right?

SPEAKER_02 52:40

Let's think about it. No, Aaron was wrong because Aaron is a terrible villain. And so this is all I'm saying is like he was a hero, sure. No, like don't make me get into the argument of you want air you want to believe Aaron is the best written version of this, but no one's ever seen Code Gas, so they don't understand. Like, Aaron is the the the problem I have with Aaron is that the entire time you thought he was doing good because he wanted to see the Titans erased, and then he's just like, Well, no, I'm gonna use the Titans to just murder people.

SPEAKER_01 53:17

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:19

Meanwhile, when you watch Lelouch, at any point you're like, that motherfucker could be the ultimate villain of this story, and then he did it, but to sacrifice himself to fucking Yeah, what was the line like those who kill need to prepare to be killed as well?

SPEAKER_03 53:33

Yeah, something like that. Like it's just it was a beautiful fucking scene.

SPEAKER_02 53:36

Oh my god, so magical. And then they brought him back. No, that didn't happen. Please don't tell me it did.

SPEAKER_03 53:46

Uh unfortunately to report to you that it did because we can't leave good things alone.

SPEAKER_02 53:52

Those movies don't exist, they're not real. They can't they can't hurt me.

SPEAKER_00 53:56

So is it is Naruto the kind of thing you guys would go back to?

SPEAKER_02 54:00

Besides nostalgia factor, do you think people I will re-watch uh a Naruto AMV featuring Rockley and Gara set to Lincoln Park? Other than that, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_03 54:13

I have re-watched some fights, one of them being the Rockley versus Gara fight, because it's of course in class. Um, but like in terms of watching the show, reading the manga, um, no. Yeah, you're gonna like it.

SPEAKER_02 54:25

You're gonna get deep into that Boruto.

SPEAKER_03 54:28

Oh, you know. Once you get past the time skip, it gets good. Oh, yeah. Borito seems like a very tolerable and lovable character. I can't wait to go. What did my dad ever do?

SPEAKER_02 54:39

The fact that that exits that character's mouth tells you everything you need to know. What did what did my dad do for the village? What did my dad ever do for the village?

SPEAKER_00 54:49

Okay, so Bor what would you guys give Borito?

SPEAKER_03 54:53

I would never watching Please Delete It from Existence. I've seen clips and that was enough. Um, I don't think it should exist, and I don't know why it exists beyond the obvious. Do you want to watch Sasuke fighting the raptors again? Oh, don't remind me that exists.

SPEAKER_02 55:10

Hey, do you remember the most important uh the most effective akunae's ever been is when Sasuke needed to lose his Renegon? Yeah, you forgot about that, didn't you? I did. Well, it's back.

SPEAKER_03 55:24

Um, it's okay to let good things end. Uh not saying the Naruto's good, but just in general, like things can have endings, folks.

SPEAKER_00 55:32

Okay. So Alright. It should have ended. Now let me let's let's get back to the big three. I felt like Bleach ended fine after the um No, I think it ended fine, like, once he got like his spiritual power back and he got like his little but it kept going. Now, I've been told that the last arc is amazing by you guys.

SPEAKER_03 55:57

So what the fuck? Okay, so um I know what happens in the manga. I don't remember every single thing, but I remember the majority of it. Uh there's plenty of cool shit to go around. There's plenty of cool characters, plenty of cool powers.

SPEAKER_00 56:12

Those character designs are amazing, and so is their drip.

SPEAKER_03 56:15

The the fucking Stern Ritters are just like one of the most standout cool ass factions that I can think of off the top of my head. Like, they're all fucking cool. They all have unique powers. Like it's it's sweet.

SPEAKER_02 56:26

Let me ask you a question, Salem, before you continue. As the only one of us that's currently read or slash watch clips from Thousand Year Blood War, does it feel like it was necessary at the end of the manga? Or does it feel kind of like a like a dream match scenario where we had all these cool characters but we didn't use all of their abilities? Let's write another arc to display these abilities. We'll write some characters that they're there to fight. It might make sense in the story. I don't personally know.

SPEAKER_03 56:58

So if you ask me, right, honestly, they probably could have just ended the series with the uh final eisen battle. Honestly, I think so.

SPEAKER_00 57:10

Yeah, they should have stopped there, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 57:12

Because we have to consider this, right? So when they effectively beat Eyes and they sealed them away, you know, slaps hands together, we're good. We then go into the full bringer arc, right? And like Is that what it was called? Uh the full bring arc or the full bring arc, one of the two. But uh basically, so as you know, our listeners probably know if they did watch Bleach, uh, so Ichigo lost his Shinigami powers when he was fighting Aizen, right? He used the Mugetsu, and then that effectively erased.

SPEAKER_02 57:45

Do you not mean the final Getsu Tencho? The final Getsuga Tensho. Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_03 57:51

Yeah. Well, you know, he says Mugetsu when he cuts him, eh, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 57:56

Wait, go back to that image, Jose.

SPEAKER_03 57:58

So, oh, they're the boy uh is is which one's the femme girl or the femme boy? That would be if we're not accounting for the green hair. Oh, we're talking about the the oh no, you're talking about Giselle Gwell. That's the one on the far left there. That's the one. Damn it. Uh Stern Ritter Z. Is the green haired one a girl? Uh these are all ladies. I can confirm. But you just said one of them's a femme boy. Well, I didn't say that, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:23

Well, it's uh it's it's a little innocent. Does she have a joystick or not? I have a question.

SPEAKER_03 58:29

Uh we are not shown the joystick. I assumed as much. Is it gonna be way? Is it heavily inferred? It may be implied that Giselle Gold. Okay, but the green one is a girl.

SPEAKER_00 58:42

Okay, so Yes, that is uh Candace Catnip.

SPEAKER_02 58:45

Okay, so I'm sorry, her last name is Katnip. Yep, great. I'm here for it. You look so happy.

SPEAKER_00 58:51

So Salem, as I am caught up up until the Folbringer arc, should I continue Thousand Year Blood War?

SPEAKER_03 58:57

Um, if you want to see cool shit, yes. I would 100% say go into it.

SPEAKER_02 59:02

Well, before we continue, yes, yes. Well Am I correct in my statement that this seems like a dream match?

SPEAKER_03 59:09

Okay, so getting back to that. Um okay, so okay. Um in terms of how the story plays out, right? Yeah. So the Fullbringer shit and the Thousand Year Blood War stuff, yeah. We could have just lived without it, if you ask me. Do I think it's cool that we get to see the Quincy's effectively in full force doing shit and being an antagonist? I think it's pretty cool. Um, but honestly, Aizen being defeated, Ichigo losing his powers. Defeated in quotes, yeah. Sealed away. We could have just ended the story there, I think. Uh the Fullbringer shit more or less was an excuse to give Ichigo his powers back, which if the series ended after Aizen, we wouldn't need.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:01

So I have a follow-up question. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:03

Um Does does Thousand Year Blood War feel like an arc on the on on like the quality level of like a soul society or even like low slightly lower quality but still Wacomundo level?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:17

That's a good question, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:19

Even if the ending isn't as great as you want it to be, is is does Thousand Year Blood War stand with the other two big arcs of Waco Mundo and Soul Society? I would say probably yes. Is it like a solid three out of the out of the three options? Like number three on the list? Or do you do you like it better than Waco Mundo? Because I imagine Soul Society is probably your number one, as it is for most people.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:51

Soul Society's great, of course. Um I don't think there's probably gonna be anyone out there saying it's bad. Um but in terms of like the Waco Mundo events with the Hollows, and then we have Thousand Your Blood War arc with the sh the uh Quincy. Yeah uh I I think they're both on par with each other.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:10

So you think Waco Mundo and Quincy are neck and neck in that race?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:15

On the spot, I would say probably, just because there's so much cool stuff that happens in both of these arcs. There's a lot of really interesting characters Mask Day Masculine, you know. Um, but yeah, like there's a bunch of cool shit that happens. There are questions that are answered in the Thousand Year Blood War arc that you could have just not answered if you didn't make the arc. Are you referring to the ending? I'm referring to a few things actually. Okay. Um, but yeah, I mean, honestly, it's cool that it exists. I think that it's interesting and we get to see a lot of cool shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:50

So you I think it's it's kind of like a return to form for T Tek Kubo after the events of the full ring. Yes. Yes, I would. I mean that's Yes I would. That's an honest question, just because like I was thoroughly enjoying Soul Society. I to for clarity, I skipped all the filler and bleach. Sure. So I I watched the intro when he's in Karakura Town, then Soul Society, Wacomundo, Return to Karakura Town, and Fullbring Arc. I I enjoyed the Fullbring Arc less just because I felt like the taking away of each go's powers to give them back to take them away again to give them back again was a little convoluted and unnecessary. A little silly, huh? But I think Soul Society was a strong arc, and I think oh me personally, I like Waco Mundo better.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:43

I don't know, it's kind of hard for me because I do just have a general love for Bleach, but like Yeah, no, I get it. I don't know, it's just hard. Like, I would say that the stuff in Thousand Your Blood work to me is probably neck and neck with my enjoyment for Waco Mundo and the events that happen there. Uh but it just it could have just not existed, and I think the story would have been.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:04

Yeah, like I think you cut it off the full bring arc. You cut it off when uh Ichigo in quotes defeats Aizen.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:12

Right, and he loses his powers and backwards.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:14

Yeah, you literally wrap it up there.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:16

Yeah, call it good. Like the big bad is gone. Ichigo is now free from his Shinigami duties, and he can just go back to doing what he's doing, leave every other problem to the soul reapers. But I guess we need him to get his powers back and we need to keep on fighting people.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:32

Do you feel like that was Kubo getting pressed down upon from like jump saying we need this to continue?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:39

100%. That's how they are. Well, that's how the management used to be. Now they're just now they're just like every mangaka like lately is just like, yeah, I don't want this to blow out to like 500 chapters.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:50

Like I feel I almost feel bad for Kubo considering like he he was in essence forced to continue writing, maybe when he didn't have an any ideas. I feel like if you're you're right about the Thousand Year Blood War, I feel like he kind of got his mojo back, so to speak. But then it feels like from what you're telling me or you told me earlier today, it's like they rushed him to finish that too.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:14

Yeah, I mean, from what I understand, and I mean I haven't looked into like the official story for him like concluding his series in quite some time. Yeah. But like from what I understand, he was more or less told, like, hey, we need to wrap this up. Yeah. Because from like when when you near the end of this arc and effectively the series, it does feel like we just need shit to end. Like there are from what I recall fights that just aren't really concluded but like we just kinda wipe them away. Yeah. Um I shouldn't say anything.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:47

Um Is it like is it like the Demon Slayers? How he was like, I don't want to fucking do 12 of these fucking things.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:53

I I don't want to deal with the 12 lesser moons. Cut them. Well, that's the thing though, because like Kubo decided to create um effectively twenty-six stern ridders, each with unique powers on top of their innate Quincy Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:10

The Soul Society arc went way too long with 10 Arankar.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:15

So I'm just You mean Waco Mundo.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:17

Yeah, Wacom Windows. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:19

Um, yeah, with the ten of spada. Yeah, Spada. Whatever, man. Whatever. Whatever, man. I mean, there you go. I love Bleach and their designs.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:27

I love Bleach and their designs, but in my opinion, I couldn't tell you anything that happened in Bleach besides like a couple of fights and big moments.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:35

Um, I could, but let's not get all into that. Um but uh but effectively, just to answer the questions here. Um, I do think that it's cool uh the Thousand Year Blood War arc exists and does answer a few questions that we could, you know, have lingered on. Uh we find out more about Ichigo. Let that just sit. Um and we get to see a lot of cool ass powers. It's just that unfortunately, uh Tite Kuba. In my opinion, when it comes to Bleach, can't effectively end an arc to save his life. You know, and I don't mean to sound like an asshole, but it's just like when you look at the endings to a lot of these arcs, it just at least to me does not feel very satisfying.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:15

Like Soul Society leads into Wacomundo, but then right.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:20

Well, I mean, as an example, right? Uh let's say like Aizen. Right. Right. Now, Ichigo uses uh, you know, the final Getsuka Tensho, the um blanking now, the Mugetsu, right? And like it hits Aizen, you know, we cut to Ichigo seeing what happened to Aizen. Aizen wasn't beaten by it. Like, literally, he was just weakened by it to the point where Uruhara steps in and apparently he did something prior to Ichigo fighting him and is now sealing him away. So Ichigo didn't even really beat him.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:55

I'd just like to cut in here real quick. I never realized the uh the connection between Aizen and fucking Gojo until just now. Like I've created characters so powerful that I need to seal him away. Literally happens twice.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:09

That's becoming a trope now.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:11

I mean, I feel like if you're depending on your quality of writing, like you have to have a way to defeat your own character. I feel like Gage and Tite both wrote themselves into a little bit of a corner.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:23

One or the other, if you're if you know, you know. That's all I'll say about that.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:27

And but here's the thing too, at least in Aizen's case, right? Like, when Ichigo stepped up to the plate and told Aizen, like, hey, you know, one-on-one, we're doing this shit. He was bodying Aizen the entire fucking time. Like, no chance Aizen was doing a damn thing to Ichigo. Like he was slapping away attacks, he didn't give a shit. And yet, for some reason, Kubo decided Aizen is still alive after he gets hit with the final fucking attack from a guy bodying him the whole time and then seals him away. Like, I just I don't understand.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:58

Did he really get hit by all those attacks, or was he just making you think he did it? Oh, were you under the impression that you hadn't seen my chic eye? This is the problem with like, yeah, Gojo and and Aizen is just like you can just magic that away by saying, Did it really happen, Ichigo, or were you just under my chicai? Were you in the infinite Tsukiyomi this whole time? I mean, kinda.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:22

Okay, so um what like Bleach is something I want to revisit and re like reread because I feel like I didn't appreciate it enough when I watched it in high school because I bid it basically binged it all throughout summer and then completely forgot about it. Like I don't remember anything, and every now and then I have to look up YouTube videos to be like, okay, who's what? What's what, what is this? So I feel like that's something I would definitely want to revisit. Like I've already like I said before, I've already read Naruto like twice at this point. It it just it's a wet fart at the end, and it's a wet fart at for a buildup. For Naruto, yeah. Yeah. But with Bleach, I kind of want to give it another go. And this time read the manga instead of watching it. Sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:03

I have bad news. It's kind of a wet fart at the end of the anime, too, on Bleach. Oh well. Let's see.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:10

Yeah, this comes back to how I think most of the arcs that Kubo writes for Bleach just don't end in a very satisfying way. Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:17

I w I will I will go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:20

No, you go ahead. Oh, I all I was gonna say is that the the other thing that would irritate me about the Thousand Year Blood War arc existing, besides the fact that it's possible we could just go without the arc and just end the series back when Isum was a threat, is that because from what I understand Kubo being rushed with ending his series, the ending to me does not feel satisfying at all either. Like if anyone is reading it or if they watch the series, which I'm kinda interested how the anime is going to do the ending for that, I think it's kind of kind of bullshit, frankly, uh how the problem is resolved. I think it's goofy as fuck, but you know, some people might like it.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:04

Is it the power of friendship?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:06

Oh, it's the power of something, alright. Okay, there's no brave punches, I promise. There's there's none of that. Thank you, God.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:12

So the power of friendship just let it die.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:17

This isn't a good joke.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:18

No, I was gonna say the power of friendship, just let's just let it die. So, okay. Now on to the on to the last one.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:27

Dirty boots.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:28

Mr. Mr.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:30

Morale himself stronger, the dirtier they get. That's true.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:34

The Kendrick Lamarov uh manga. Yeah. One piece.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:39

Um you don't know anything about this one. Uh he knows things.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:43

I I know generally what the story is, and if you were to tell me some events, I could I could kind of talk about it. But you guys are the more powerhouses in this department.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:51

He's the powerhouse in this department.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:54

I'm just caught up with the anime. I'm not caught up on the manga. Big things happen in the manga. No. The big big reveals.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:01

Oh, you you want to be careful with that one. Okay. We should be safe. So One Piece? It's pretty great.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:12

I've been reading it pretty great.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:14

You're telling me that the story of One Piece is good. Let me ask you that. That's insane. It is good.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:20

Ask you a question, Jose. How long did it take for you to start reading One Piece after I reminded you constantly that you should read it? Two years. Yeah. And he says it's great. And I laugh. I still have not read one piece of it. Yeah, like maybe you should start reading it. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:37

Okay, so the main arcs. East Blue, Alabasta, great. Sky Island, don't skip it. Everyone says to skip it, don't. Even I can tell you that don't skip it. So let me.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:48

Where did you get to? I need to know this for reasons.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:51

I am done with Whole Cake Island. I am now entering Wano.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:54

So I do want to ask you guys this question.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:59

Okay. Yeah. So I do want to ask real quick, why do people say to skip Sky Island then?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:04

Because it's kind of it's not as great. Okay, what was the arc before Sky? It was Alabasta. Yeah, Alabasta. Alabasta is about what, a couple of hundred chapters leading up to the fight with Crocodile. And you had Vivi with you, it became like this whole journey in and of itself. It was a great time. And then you and then it ends. That that arc ends. And for some people, I feel like they just didn't want to move forward. So that's why the next arc, they kind of give it as a wet part, and some people just go, let's go skip it completely because that would they were there at their high. That was their highest at that point.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:44

So when I when I talk about Skype, my biggest thing is always you have to get to a certain point to understand why Skype is important. Like it's the same thing with uh trying to think here. Uh Fishman Island. Fishman Island is a great example. People don't like Fishman Island. I understand why people don't like Fishman Island. As a poor villain, uh you don't really do a lot there. There's a lot of like loose threads that are added to the bundle of loose threads you're already holding on to. You get almost zero answers. I understand. It's similar with Skypia where stuff is happening, there's very few things that are answered. The villain's great. I think Annel is a like he's fun. Probably top five villain in One Piece. Okay. I would put him up there. Like there will be a time when Annel returns to the One Piece universe, and it's going to be a good time.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:44

In case anyone didn't know, the manga covers tell us where he is. He's just chilling on the moon.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:49

I mean, yeah, the the manga cover. I'm pretty sure that guy. Like, even even Crocodile. Crocodile comes back later. Crocodile is a very like important character to the story. Like, not even where you are, where I am, he comes back again because he's just going to be a returning character.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:05

So it it's setting up for things that happen later on. Yes. And that's why people are kind of just kind of like a big thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:11

Yeah, like if you watch it on, if you watch Skypea, you would just be like, What am I what what was this about? There's not a lot here.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:21

I like I like the stor I like the backstory. Was it Drake? Uh, the guy who was um the liar.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:28

Oh, I can't remember his name, but yeah, I know who you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:31

Yeah, I really like that backstory. That backstory was really fucking good. Considering that it took up like maybe ten chapters or so where I'm just reading about this guy. I got super invested in that. In this story. And sure, it tells you like people thought he was a liar, and then you get confirmed that he wasn't. And that was a really nice side story. But I think what people wanted were answers to what's now happening up in Skypea. You just don't get talked about.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:59

They don't you get those answers later. It's the same thing with Fishman Island. Like uh very briefly, there's a character in Fishman Island that is a fortune teller, and during uh the crew's time on the island, he says, or she says, that Luffy will bring about the destruction of Fishman Island.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:19

And if I remember correctly, right, uh her predictions are always like 100% correctly.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:24

Okay. So you you go through it and you're like, oh well, maybe maybe Oda just wrote that in there and that wasn't a thing. Like that will come back, I promise you. That might even be in the most recent chapter that dropped where all that stuff happened that I don't know about and I'm trying to avoid. Like that might be part of it. But like so the the arcs that seem insignificant at the time you're watching it become like it all compounds on itself. Like you start tying those loose threads together and it forms a cohesive narrative.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:58

So it's not necessarily pointless, like these things that it's setting up are going to be like a small thing that you'll you'll have finished by the time you're like through Thriller Bark is when they when they come over uh Reverse Mountain and they are entering the Grand Line, they meet a a whale named Laboon.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:18

Ah, Laboon, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:19

And you find out from uh the uh the doctor at the lighthouse staying next to Laboon that Laboon was like adopted by this other pirate crew, and then they set sail for the Grand Line, leaving Laboon, saying, We'll come back to see you. Like through like 200 chapters later, or episodes, whatever you want to call it, you find a character from that crew. Like he's he's tying these things together. You thought he forgot, he never forgets. That man has a mind of a steel trap, I swear to God.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:52

And remember and remember the uh the giants, what were they called?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:55

They uh Dorian Braggie.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:57

Yeah, they they're introducing you're kind of thinking, like, oh, these are kind of one-off character giant characters. No, the giants are a particular race of people that are somehow always at the center of things and they're super important, like the big like with Big Mom, like with the Navy. The Navy somehow has to have giants in them. Uh that because the Navy's also particularly obsessed with having like giants in their ranks and just things like that. And then we still have to remember, we still have to get to the um where the giants are. Because remember, Usopp doesn't tell lies. That's right. I'll I'll just leave it at that. Usopp doesn't tell lies and he has told a bunch of he has said a bunch of things that have then become like that have come true later on. So and what do people say? Like his his hockey is like the scene of the future or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:47

Yeah, he has uh oh shit, put me on the spot here. Uh some kind I I forget which hockey, it just yeah, allows him Is it like perception or something like that? That's right. Might might be wrong.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:00

Essentially, like Oda Oda keeps me on my toes like Kishimoto doesn't. Kishimoto is making is actively trying to get me to put down the manga. Not Oda. But I have to put down the manga because if I try to speak through it, I won't get any sleep. That's what happens every time I read one piece. It's just one piece then becomes then I start consuming one piece. I can I want to continue, and if I don't finish this is basically me. I have to consume an arc or else I won't move forward. So with the big mom arc, I wasn't sleeping for the like uh for like three days because I was like waking up and trying to read one piece. And like I don't particularly like the whole Cake Island arc, in my opinion. I didn't care for it.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:46

That's wild to me, visitors.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:48

But I will just say I did like parts of it. I just didn't like the whole Big Mom thing, so did you like Katakuri? Which one's that? Uh the Mochi Moji guy.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:59

Mochi Mochiomi. He has the scarf always on.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:02

Oh yeah. I liked him. He was great.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:04

I think all of I think most of Big Mom's extended family is quite excellent.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:09

Yeah. But I just didn't like the story of its in and of itself, like that this was the plot that we're going with. And then Germa 66, I didn't care for these knockoff power rangers either. Wasn't really my thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:21

Did I tell you about the Power Rangers in One Piece Salem?

SPEAKER_03 1:19:24

Uh you may have neglected to tell me about that, and I don't know about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:27

Yeah, they're they're they're Power Rangers. You should read it. You have my attention. You just gotta get to Whole Cake Island, it's only like 900 chapters.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:36

Yeah, it's about in the 900 mark, so um, but yeah, like my m I think what hasn't surpassed, in my personal opinion, was the um Inpel Down and Marine Ford. Just I remember reading that and it went it was just so good the entire time. Buggy being a supporting character for that entire that entire arc. It was great. Crocodile was there. That's where we met Jinbei. So it's like, yeah, Oda knows how to tie together a story really well, unlike Kishimoto. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:11

Naruto's the best of them again.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:14

I just and then like I've seen those arguments online where it's like, what are you talking about? Luffy got handed, got handed everything, like, no, he didn't. So Naruto didn't either. Ever all of them trained for it, but they also had a lot of plot conveniences.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:28

Uh Naruto did get handed a lot of his powers.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:31

He was definitely born with certain uh genetic advantages as well as um having uh the nine tails inside of him.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:39

The the yeah the Hold on, let me pause called just to yell at me, and now this is gonna become two I should I should have hit the pause.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:49

What were you saying? Oh about what?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:51

Oh Naruto and Oh yeah. Naruto had the Ninetales sealed inside him, was trained by one of the best ninjas in the village. Yeah, he he was born from the Uzamaki clan who are known to have. Like unironically, uh unironically, Kishimoto was like, I'm gonna make it dog?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:16

Yeah, Naruto's the strapping young underdog who had to work for his you know status or whatever. Like, no, fuck off. You know who did that? Rock Lee. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:26

If you come back and say, Oh, that's what Kishimoto meant to say when Neji told them that fuck off. Fuck right to fuck off.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:33

Uh Neji was right, uh Rock Lee would make a way better main character. Um, and yeah, no, like Naruto was handed a lot of shit and also was privileged to learn from like great people.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:46

Unironically, I'd watch a 10-10 anime.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:48

But if they made her a good character. Now, Devil's Advocate swung around a fan a little bit in the fourth grade ninja war.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:56

The idea that the great ninja tools or weapons is such a cool concept. And the fact that he was like, nah, I ain't gonna write that.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:05

Okay, Devil's Advocate though, Naruto did have to work for a couple things, but it's not to it's not like we're it's also but we're also not saying that he got hit, like you know, he didn't get handed everything, he worked towards everything.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:19

Same with Luffy. How long did it take Naruto to do the Ross or the shirt the Ross again? No, just the Ross Sangon. Wasn't it like a day?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:29

No, it was like a couple days.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:30

It wasn't very long.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:32

He had to it was from like when they did the tuning the tuning exam to like um no, because he had to practice.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:38

Naruto was learning under um Jiraya. Jiraiya, yeah, and Jiraya was the one that was showing him hey, like this is if your hair goes this way, your rasen goes this way.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:49

That was pretty stupid.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:51

It's Uzumaki.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:52

It's a little it's a little goofy.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:54

It's a little on the nose. I don't know. He he was learning from Jiraya, one of the three San Nin, like highly regarded and famous ninja, um, you know, along with Sanade and Urochimaru. Um, but like it did not take him very long to learn how to do the fucking Rasengon.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:08

Like, like okay, so off topic slightly. Sure. The fact that he could use his shadow clones to increase his training speed because they all like can congeal the knowledge that they all learn once the shadow clones disappear. Like, that seems a little hmm, I don't know. That's kind of like a cheat code. Yeah, like literally put man's putting in cheat codes by using shadow clones, I guess. Accelerate, accelerate. We we need stuff to keep going. Like, I'm not gonna sit here and say like every every bit of training that Luffy did was completely fleshed out, and you saw months of training, but I I feel like he writes it in better than Naruto making a bunch of shadow clones to train faster.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:52

I'd also like to keep in mind, too, right? Like, should you guys remember the very start of Naruto, right? How Naruto kind of has to like force his shit to work. Yeah, you have to spend like three times as much chakra to do the same thing that any other nature could do. It helps when one, you're born to a clan who is known for high chakra reserves and also have a fucking demon in your body, it also helps you out at nearly. You know, and keep in mind uh the Nine Tales also heals like fatal wounds and shit too, because he's the host. Like the he he has some help.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:25

I do want to point this out though. Had Luffy not gotten the gum gum double fruit or Gomo Gomo no me. Correct. He could he could have just as easily been powerful enough. Look at Kobe.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:38

Oh, I think oh that boy gotta glow up. Well, I mean, I feel like Oda was trying to like write a character that while achieving the same thing that um Goldie Roger did, would never actually reach Goldie Roger's level because to our knowledge at this point Goldie Roger has no devil fruit. Yeah. And still became the king of the pirates. So I think he automatically like set Luffy like down a tier because he'll always have that advantage of he'll always have to rely on his devil fruit. Yeah, he'd he'd always he'd always have become king of the pirates, but he had a devil fruit. Roger did it before and had no devil fruit.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:18

Right. Alright, so I'm gonna have to get it work soon. So we'll end it here. Maybe we could pick this up at some other time. You know, if we get any critiques or commentaries and we read them, I know a lot of people are gonna disagree with our opinions because you know, Naruto is very beloved, so is One Piece, and then people are in the background background, like, yeah, Bleach is good. I'm glad you said something.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:42

Yeah, those bleach fans are just sitting there on their bleachers saying, Yeah, it's pretty good, guys. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:47

I don't know why you guys keep fighting over Naruto and One Piece. Ishimoto and Oda are friends. What are you?

SPEAKER_03 1:25:52

Like Bleach has its problems 100%, but like Oh, One Piece has myriad of issues, especially in anime.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:01

The pacing is so incredibly horrible. So I've heard. So I've heard, yeah. I'm not gonna sit here and just say One Piece is the greatest piece of fiction ever written. It's it's pretty good, but it's got problems.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:14

Well, that's to say, this has been another ABS episode. Hopefully we can pick this up at some other point. Um, I'm Jose Ison O'Monjo, and who are you? Um Wyatt. And who are you?

SPEAKER_03 1:26:29

Uh I'm Baker, as far as I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:31

Alright. Well, this is ABS, the anti-breaking system, also known as Anime Bullshit Podcast, or ABS. Um hopefully I can get this out by Sunday and not take a whole week to edit like the last one. So the last one we did on 420 came out today. I posted it today. That's on me. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:53

No, that's good.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:54

But I'm hoping that this one can be done tomorrow, the following day on Sunday. So uh keep keep an ear out for that. Hopefully, we can build some kind of following. Let your friends know, let your homies know, let your grandma know. Uh just let anybody know. We'd like to hear feedback on these opinions, like I've said in the descriptions. These are takes that aren't very popular, so I will fight you, dear listeners.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:21

But do not tempt me. I just want people to justify how cool Naruto is, and Borico especially.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:27

Well, aside from that, um thank you for anyone who p decided to listen. Uh have a good one.